Episode 190: Letting Go of Shame in ADHD Business Ownership [featuring Priyanka Rao]

Show Notes

In this episode, I spoke with Dr. Priyanka Rao, licensed clinical psychologist and founder of Asha Mental Health, about what it means to be an ADHD entrepreneur — the challenges, the resilience, and how to thrive authentically.

Dr. Rao shared her late-diagnosis journey, how motherhood illuminated her ADHD, and the mindset shifts that fuel her leadership, coaching, and private practice ambitions. Her real-talk about embracing neurodiversity in entrepreneurship is a must-hear.

Here are 3 key takeaways:

1. Embrace How Your Brain Works: Letting go of self-blame and outdated expectations is liberating. Accepting your unique wiring means you’re not lazy or disorganized — just wired differently. Plan for your patterns rather than fighting them.
2. Permission to Delegate: You don’t have to do it all. Delegation isn’t a weakness; it’s a strategy for growth. Investing in support and systems early on helps you stay energized and focused on what matters most.
3. Vision + Values over Hustle: Get clear about where you want to go and make decisions aligned with your long-term values, not just the next shiny idea. Surround yourself with supportive peers and mentors who can offer perspective (and keep you grounded).

More about Priyanka:

Dr. Priyanka Rao is a licensed clinical psychologist based in Minneapolis and the founder of Asha Mental Health, a private practice specializing in neurodiversity-affirming and multiculturally inclusive mental health care. She is also an executive coach for leaders and entrepreneurs, especially those with ADHD. As a late-diagnosed ADHDer herself, Dr. Rao brings both professional expertise and personal insight to her work, particularly in neurodiversity affirming adult ADHD and autism assessment. In addition to her clinical practice, Dr. Rao has extensive leadership experience, having served as Chief Clinical Officer of a large group practice prior to opening her own practice. When she’s not empowering clients to embrace their authentic selves, she enjoys reading, trying new foods, and spending time with her family and dog.

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Transcript

PATRICK CASALE: Hey, everyone. Welcome back to All Things Private Practice. I am joined today by Dr. Priyanka Rao, who is a Licensed Clinical Psychologist based in Minneapolis. And the founder of Asha Mental Health, a private practice specializing in neurodiversity affirming care and multiculturally inclusive mental health care. I cannot speak today. And it's the first thing I'm doing.

She is also an executive coach for leaders and entrepreneurs, especially, for those with ADHD. A late-diagnosed ADHDer herself. And is also launching a coaching program, specifically for late-in-life diagnosis for ADHDers.

And we're going to talk a little bit about your journey today as a ADHD entrepreneur.

PRIYANKA RAO: Yeah.

PATRICK CASALE: Yes. So, thanks for coming on here. And one thing I noticed immediately, was like, you pitched me on like, five different topics, which is very ADHD of you.

PRIYANKA RAO: Yes, very on brand. My brain is always doing 19 different things.

PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, I get that a lot. So, it's okay. Where do you want to start because you were diagnosed when?

PRIYANKA RAO: I was diagnosed… No, my kids older now, three and a half years ago. So, after my first kid was born. So, I had made it through grad school, a couple of leadership positions, a lot of life. And then my kid was born and I felt like my brain was imploding. And like the mental load of motherhood and keeping track of all the things just got to be too much.

And so, finally, my therapist and I were talking, and she was like, "You definitely have ADHD. Would you like to do something about that now?" And I was like, "Oh yeah, that would be great."

PATRICK CASALE: Finally, ready. Like, my brain has imploded and all the tasks are building up, and I feel really overwhelmed.

PRIYANKA RAO: Yes, exactly.

PATRICK CASALE: And I imagine, you know, prior to that diagnosis, you still felt really overwhelmed. And you just masked and pushed through. And probably burnt yourself out to no end.

PRIYANKA RAO: Yes, all the time. So, I was like master of procrastinate to the last second. Like, buckle down, get everything done, pull it off at the last second. And then, like, crash, repeat. And I just, like, assumed, you know, I was being lazy, or disorganized, or something, versus, like, "Oh, my brain actually operates a little bit differently, and that might be why this is so effing hard."

PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. So, I can totally relate to that. And I think, you know, I used to also beat the hell out of myself for like, why do I always leave things to the last minute? Eventually, something is going to fall through the cracks and it won't get done. But I kept proving to myself like, that was absolutely not the case. Like, I was going to let it build, I was going to let it build, I was going to let it build. And then, all sudden, that pressure becomes so intense that I'm like, "It's time to start the thing. Yeah, it's due tomorrow." Or, "I have to have it ready in an hour."

And then, it would be good. And it just reinforces, like, I can do this and I can get away with this. And once I learned about my ADHD diagnosis, I almost was able to just, like, just affirm the fact that this is how my brain works. Like, I'm never going to be the person who knocks the project out in the first week, it's just not going to be me. And I've had to really honor that for myself and not shame myself for, like, not adhering to that type of expectation.

PRIYANKA RAO: Yeah, totally. I mean, I think the why can't I just narrative would be in my head all the time, and the beating myself up. And then, when I first got diagnosed with ADHD, I did the whole like, don't make excuses. Like, don't write it off. It's not really a thing. Like, I had that whole like, identity development phase. And then, I kind of just owned it. And I got to drop all the drama around, like, holding myself to a standard that I know I can't meet, and then beating myself up for not meeting it.

So, now I just, like plan to procrastinate. And I plan for things to run late. And I plan to be late. First off, well, no, I don't. I just know that I will be and I don't, yeah, my fault for it.

So, yeah, you get to drop a lot of that, like, I don't know, like, self-flagellation and the drama when you have like a good reason or understanding of why certain things are hard for you.

PATRICK CASALE: Absolutely. 100%. And I mean, you know, it doesn't make things, like, less hard or difficult in certain ways or aspects, but it certainly allows for a different lens to just be like I see this much more clearly now.

And I think allowing to have that self-compassion, that that ability to just like, accept who we are, accept our limitations, accept the accommodations that we need to build into our lives, super important. And also, like, unpacking our own internalized ableism around it, because I know for me as a high achiever who has done a lot in my life, it can feel like no you should be able to push through this burnout. You should be able to push through this exhaustion or this executive dysfunction or whatever. And the reality is like, no, if you continue to push like, the likelihood of ending up in a year or two of autistic burnout laying in my living room, in the darkness, not talking to anybody is pretty freaking likely in it, has happened multiple times.

PRIYANKA RAO: Yeah, I definitely have done the, like, power through thing. And then, for me, like, I get sick. So, right now I'm stuffy because I have two kids in daycare, and so I'm just always sick but-

PATRICK CASALE: [CROSSTALK 00:06:26] negative 15 degrees out where you live [CROSSTALK 00:06:29]-

PRIYANKA RAO: [CROSSTALK 00:06:30]. Yeah, do not recommend. But, yeah, I think, like, I was like [INDISCERNIBLE 00:06:35 ] work for me, I [INDISCERNIBLE 00:06:36] power through the semester, and then I'd hit a semester break, and I'd get Uber sick, and crash. And I still had not put it together at that point in time, especially, in grad school.

So, like, I would go visit my family, because I was in grad school in Chicago. And my family's in Virginia. And I would go visit them, and every time I was sick the whole time. And it was just my body saying, "Enough." Like, "You can't do this anymore."

PATRICK CASALE: It's amazing how you, like, push, and push, and push, right? Because you're like, "Okay, I see the finish line. I'm going to push myself to get there, and then I'm going to have a reprieve. Like, I'm going to have a break. I'm going to be able to focus. I'm going to be able to, like, enjoy." And then, immediately your immune system is like, "Nope, not this time." And you get sick.

And that's for me every time as well. So, with all of the traveling I do for retreats, and speaking, and etc., you would think I would learn that by now, where it's like airports, airplanes, stimulation, immune system compromised majorly, going to get sick every time you travel. I've almost had to mentally build in a couple of sick days for each trip that I go on to know, like my immune system's going to crash. And it's inevitable because it's already compromised as is. So, it can be such a struggle for a lot of us who are like in these neurodivergent bodies with these compromised immune systems, who want to be a part of society and life, but really having to tailor it in a way that honors your needs and really doesn't shame them for asking for your accommodations to be met or building them into your life.

PRIYANKA RAO: Yeah, definitely. And for me, too, I'm my own worst enemy, because I get really excited about whatever shiny object is in front of me. And so, then, the other night, I was up until, I don't know, like one in the morning, playing around with new fonts, because I decided that I needed a rebrand, and I needed colors. And so, I just went down that rabbit hole for hours. And I'm doing it myself.

But it's so easy to, especially when you're ambitious, especially, when you have a lot of ideas, which is, I think, why so many entrepreneurs are eighth years because, like, our brands just produce a lot of cool ideas. It's hard to have to get, like, swept away in that too. And, like, forget that, like, oh yeah, also, you need to eat. And also, sleep's important. And also, you have children that will be up at six in the morning, so you, like, really need to go to bed.

PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, but then there's that part of your brain that's like, "But this is also really exhilarating, and I need to pursue this." So, I mean having an interest-based nervous system is a part of this too, right? In like getting really excited, pursuing that passion, and sometimes letting it go.

And I'd love for you to talk about that, because I know a lot of people who are listening, who are ADHDers, especially, probably have been in that place. I've been in it where you get really excited about an idea or a project, and you commit to it, and you do dive in pretty much head first, a lot of the time, only to lose interest, only to forget about some of the tasks, only to let some other things pile up and take priority.

And I know for so many people, it creates a lot of shamefulness, of like, beating the absolute hell out of yourself, or like, I never get things done, or I never finish what I start, or whatever. And I've certainly, like, coached people on how to navigate that now, you know, fast forwarding, but can you talk about that for yourself and just what you recommend?

PRIYANKA RAO: Yeah, I mean, I think that has been a work in progress, just for me, that I've finally kind of found my stride with in the last couple of years. But what I have learned is really useful is to root myself in, like, what vision I have for where I'm going, and what the values are that are driving said vision, and to use that to help make decisions, and rein things in. So, yes, I want to do 19 different projects. Which of those is best aligned with where I'm picturing myself a year from now? And if I do them all concurrently, I won't reach said vision.

And so, it's so, so hard to decide what to focus on and what not to. And I mean, I've had to lean on my support sources. I've had to lean on, like, my peers that also have practices, or an ADHD coach, or my own therapist to be like, "Okay, where do I, like, rein this in?" But I've also gotten really good at asking for that support and, like, using the people around me, which has been really useful, because sometimes people can see the forest better than I can when I'm really zoned in on the tree.

So, yeah, I've been trying to root myself and like, okay, if I were to picture, like, what life would feel like, for me, at the end of this year, if I had a really great year, what would I feel like? And is this task I'm about to pick up actually going to get me closer to feeling that way or not?

So, for me, I've had a lot of flux in my career. In the last couple of years, I've got two young toddlers. Like, everything is often chaotic. So, for me, when I'm picturing like my ideal life, it's got some like, groundedness to it, which does not mean, like, repetitive stableness. It just means, like, I feel like the ground is steady, versus I'm constantly, like, putting out a fire. And so, for me, like the priority is setting up systems for that, so that I don't have to be continuously putting out fires. And that's something that I learned at my last practice, too, is if you don't build… We were building the plane as we were flying it. Do not recommend. That's a very bad plan.

So, like, come up with your picture, know what the plane looks like, put down the framework, and then, start flying to your destination. And so, that's kind of really been helpful in grounding myself, and then knowing when do I pull in like an AI tool to help me break something down? When do I, like, brainstorm with my husband, who's an entrepreneur, around like, what order of operations I need to follow, who needs to look over, like, my numbers with me to make sure that I'm doing this in a way that's sustainable. So, it's kind of the combination of that vision, and then the people.

PATRICK CASALE: Vision and the people, that makes a lot of sense. And I think you learn that as you go. Like, who to rely on, who to ask for support. And I think what I'm hearing pre and post diagnosis, right? Is like post diagnosis is more clarity about the things I do need to ask for help with, the things I do need a second set of eyes on, allowing myself to do those things instead of saying, like, I have to do it all myself, or delegating or reaching out for support is like weakness, or it creates like this thought that I'm not a savvy, or confident entrepreneur, or business owner. And in reality, it's like, no, this makes things run so much more smoothly.

I want to say one thing, though, that I am very much a build the plane as you fly it, type of human. So, when I coach people, they're always like, "How did you create all of this stuff?" And I'm like, "I really can't coach you on the way I did it, because it's not going to likely work for you."

I really think what you're saying is much sturdier when we're talking about how to create any sort of infrastructure, because, like, having the foundation, and then building into it. But one thing that I've learned for me with all the ideas that I have, I have a Google folder, and I have a Google Doc. And it's just labeled like Patrick's ADHD Idea Dump. I have it in check box form because I love check boxes and I color code it. And every time a new idea grabs me, and excites me, I put it in the folder, in the doc. And I revisit the previous ideas. And I say, like, do these need to be rearranged based on how they're making me feel energetically? Like, am I feeling really excited about that? Are any of these things, like, necessities with a timeline like that have to happen by a certain time?

So, just constantly reevaluating that. And sometimes things that were really exciting to me two months ago or three months ago are no longer exciting to me whatsoever. And I'm like, "Why did I even want to do this?" So, really nice instead of feeling like I have to commit fully to the thing, only to then, like, trudge through it and just be like, "Oh my God, this is like torture." So, it's really helped allow for some freedom and some permission to drop things that are no longer lighting me up.

PRIYANKA RAO: Yeah. It's funny that you say that. So, I have a To-Do app on my phone. And I have a project on there called Someday, Maybe. And I have one under, like, my personal stuff. And then, one under my work stuff. So, I do the same thing where I'll, like, plug the idea in there, and then, periodically, when I get bored, I'll open that folder, and I'll be like, "Is there anything on here that I'd like to pick up now?"

And totally giving yourself permission to, like, reshuffle what you're going to do when I think is really important, too. So, I had a grand plan for, you know, Q1 of this year. I was going to hire and, like, lean into growing my group practice. And then, I just got really excited about, like, the ADHD and entrepreneurship stuff. And teaching people how to do, like, neurodiversity affirming adult assessments. And so, I pivoted, and I put hiring later in the year. And I'm doing that stuff first, because that's just where my energy was and what lit me up right now.

But at least, I think three years ago me would have tried to do it all at the same time. And at least, like current me has learned that, okay, then hiring needs to move somewhere else if I'm going to focus on those other two first. So, some of that comes, I think, with a little bit of age and wisdom.

PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And it's like one of those things where I could probably still do the majority of my ideas simultaneously, like I used to, but in reality, they won't get done really well. And that is something I've learned. Like, I think the autistic side of me is very much like, "You have to be all in or you are not in at all."

And doing five or six projects simultaneously, and juggling them, and having your executive functioning like, really struggle to figure out the sequential pieces and moving order I'm like, "I'm waving the white flag like, I can't do this to myself anymore."

And it's allowed for me to hire like VAs, admin assistants, social media people, web people, like all the people. And to not [INDISCERNIBLE 00:18:26] delegation any more than I do right now, because I'm just like, I'm a visionary, and I can create, and I can create, and I can create. But implementation takes a massive hit when you are trying to do all of the things, and your executive functioning is kind of just sitting there in the corner like, "Dude, did you forget about me?" Because I can't even, like, you know, go make breakfast right now?

PRIYANKA RAO: Yeah, I think it was an episode in one of your podcasts back a little ways ago, where the person was talking about being an ADHDer and how we're really good creators and really bad maintainers. And that, like, totally resonated with me.

And so, yeah, I mean, I think one of the things that I've done that, like, maybe, is against the business books or whatever, is like hiring some of that help earlier rather than later. Because, like, yes, that's digging into my income right now that maybe I don't have a ton of extra fluff around, but I'm not going to be able to move up to the next thing, or, like, execute on the ideas I currently have if I'm also the one returning all the emails, if I'm also the one tracking on all the voicemails, like, all the stuff that I avoid, and don't want to do, and or am not good at. If I have to do all of it myself, then I'm never going to actually level up. I'm never going to do the next thing.

PATRICK CASALE: Right. And that's such a great point, right? Because in the reality and the immediacy, it's very easy to look at the short term of delegation cost money. If I don't have a ton of profit, that's scary, and understandably so. But if it's going to lead to growth, where I'm then able to focus on the things that are going to create more revenue, and create more energy while being able to delegate the tasks that are just, like, bogging me down, it's really worth it in the long run. And if you can look at it in that perspective.

And I use the analogy, like, and I've said this many times on here, that I absolutely despise mowing my lawn. I hate it. I always have. I'm not a hands-on doer type of person. I just am not. And I can admit that. But like, I know if it takes me an hour or even two hours to mow my lawn, and I'm dreading it, and I'm miserable or I'm frustrated about it, what could I have done in those two hours?

So, like in the reality, if I hire someone to do that, and it costs me 50 bucks or $100, what can I do in two hours that might free up time, energy, make more money for my business, or whatever? And I've really tried to always use that as a thought process when I'm making decisions.

PRIYANKA RAO: Yeah, I think we forget to account too for the time we spend, like you just said, avoiding, and like the wasted time in avoiding. Especially, I mean ADHDers, we have like now and not now as our time zones in our brain. And so, if, like, something's on the horizon, nothing else is getting done.

And so, it's not just the time the task takes, which I think is like, how a lot of us think about it, of like, well, I live in the city of Minneapolis. My yard is tiny, so it's just like a 20-minute task. But it's not because it's going to occupy three hours of my brain around how much I don't want to, like, go outside, and how it's either way too hot or way too cold or so… Yeah, no, I think it's really wise to think about like, yeah, where else could that time go? Where else could that energy go? Am I better served, you know, using my energy towards this other thing that's going to actually have a way higher return on investment, basically.

PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, totally, absolutely. I need that, like, Goldilocks temperature, really, because, you know, if I go outside and it's one degree above 69 degrees, or anything like that, I'm going to struggle, and my interception is going to take a major hit. And then, I'm going to get overheated. And I'm going to get really overwhelmed. And I'll probably shut down.

And, you know, we just oftentimes don't think about the other factors besides, like, what's right in front of us. So, I think it's really important, like you just said, to step back and just look at it like, okay, if I'm looking at it is like, there's here and now time of like, this is what's in front of me, and this is what's in the distance, and I can't do anything in between, that takes a massive toll on your mental energy and your psyche. And just like, I know for me, I'm just sitting on my couch then, and just like, binge watching a show that I've already watched. Okay, I have this appointment at four, and it's like, yeah, "But it's 10 in the morning." But I'm like, "Yeah, but I have an appointment at 4:00." So, I can't do anything until that happens.

PRIYANKA RAO: Definitely, I think, too, like I spent a lot of time, and I'm guessing a lot of us that are likely diagnosed feel this way, where I felt like I had to do all the things, because I had to prove to myself that I could do all the things. And so, like, it became like a source of, kind of, like self-trust that you were talking about, of like, I have to be able to show that I can return the emails, and make the phone calls, and write the website copy, and, like, do this, and I can build this. I promise, I've got the skills.

And the thing is, like, yeah, I can do those things. I'm perfectly capable of returning phone calls, and sending emails, and updating website copy. And I have for a good chunk of time. And like, is that actually worthwhile? Like, at what expense am I doing that?

PATRICK CASALE: Yeah [CROSSTALK 00:23:33]-

PRIYANKA RAO: So, yeah, I think, like, a big, like, saving grace for us, like ADHD entrepreneurs, is like giving ourselves permission to not have to do all the things and still trust that we're capable of doing all the things.

PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, I love that. That's really well said. And I think that's so true, because we're trying to prove that either to ourselves because of messaging we've received, or our own internalized ableism, or any childhood wounding. And it's like it compiles, and it compounds. And then, living in capitalist society, and the hellacious world that we are currently living in, it's like, "Oh, you have to do more. You have to prove your worth. You have to showcase, like, your talent."

And how many of us are doing that at the great expense? Like, we talked about our immune systems, our mental health, our physical health, like our relationships, etc., only to the point where, like, did doing all the things, did that create this vision that is often romanticized of, like, what this was going to lead to? And oftentimes it's like, I wish I had the time back. I wish I had the meaningful connection back, opposed to the doing, and the productivity, and the achievement. So, really focusing on what's important values wise.

Question for you. As an ADHDer, as someone who's an entrepreneur, can you ever go back to a work environment that's like nine to five, these are the expectations?

PRIYANKA RAO: Hell no.

PATRICK CASALE: Thanks for answering this question. Are you [CROSSTALK 00:24:58]-

PRIYANKA RAO: I am 0% hireable. I could see myself like maybe joining in, like, part time capacities in other places, if it was, like, exactly the right thing for me. So, like, at my last practice, I was, like, pretty high up in leadership. So, I got to feel basically like I was my own boss. And so, I got that high from there. But somebody else was in charge of just enough, and it all fell apart.

And so, for me, I was like, "Okay, well, I have trust issues for sure." And I know, and this is like, confidence that I've gotten over time. I know what I'm doing, and I know that I'm good at it, and so I can't watch somebody else do it poorly, and I don't have the filter for myself anymore. So, like be cool with that.

PATRICK CASALE: No.

PRIYANKA RAO: So, I like look at other practices. I look at other places where I could go work and I would just be a nightmare, because I would be like, "Well, you're wrong. This is better." Or, "Have you thought about blank." And so, yeah, no, I need to make my own schedule. I need to be able to work when I can work. And not work when I don't want to or can't. Yeah, no idea. Nightmare employee at this point is like…

PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, I think I would, too. Well, I don't think, I know I would. And I even remember, like, sitting in community mental health, like leadership meetings with different executive from different entities in the community. And I would always just say, like, raise my hand and be like, do we have a purpose here? Like, are we meeting just to meet? And I would just say these things. I did not know at the time that I was autistic. I'm sure a lot of people in that room were probably like, "Is Patrick autistic?"

But I would just [INDISCERNIBLE 00:26:34] out, because it was, like, so infuriating to me to be like, we have better things to do. Like, what are we doing? And people would always be, "We're meeting." So, like, "To fucking meet." Like, "No [CROSSTALK 00:26:45]-

PRIYANKA RAO: But yeah, why? This could have been an email.

PATRICK CASALE: Send me an email. Like, I don't need to do this anymore. But I've known for a very long time, I don't think I can ever go back to a place of employment, maybe doing some consulting, maybe something else. But it would have to be very much autonomy-driven. And there would never be parameters of like, you have to work these hours at these times and you have to go through these processes. No, no, thank you.

And that's why, going back to your point, I do think a lot of entrepreneurs are ADHDers or are neurodivergent in general. But I do think that the need for autonomy and freedom, and like you said, to make your own decisions, especially, when you feel like decisions are not often well made. So, yeah, it's one of those things. And I have absolutely and zero regrets. That's another question, actually. Any regrets?

PRIYANKA RAO: Mm-mm(negative).

PATRICK CASALE: None.

PRIYANKA RAO: The only piece that I wished was different logistically was I decided to start my practice and, like, lean hard into my own entrepreneurial stuff while in my first trimester of pregnancy with my second kid, which like that do not recommend. Really, not a great idea to start your own business when you're pregnant and then on maternity leave. But other than that, like, no, zero regrets.

And like, I'm fortunate in that my dad's an entrepreneur, my husband's an entrepreneur. Like, it's been around me. So, it was never this, like, scary, impossible idea. But I did take time to grow in the confidence that I could do it. And then, I knew what I was doing, because I like, went to enough places where I was like, why are we having this meeting? Or what are we doing? Or this decision you're making is clearly impacting the whole team. Why are we making this choice driven by your ego? And so, you know, I needed the time to be able to like, build up in my like, self-assuredness around all that. But-

PATRICK CASALE: [CROSSTALK 00:28:35]-

PRIYANKA RAO: …no, zero regrets.

PATRICK CASALE: Good. Well, I think this has been a good conversation. And for those of you who are listening, who are entrepreneurial, especially, if you're ADHDers, it sounds like getting connected with Priya is a really good idea, especially, for the new coaching that you're launching. So, tell everyone a little bit about what you're doing.

PRIYANKA RAO: Yeah. So, I have a, like, coaching and consulting business called Asha Coaching and Consulting. And through that, I'm working on launching a group coaching program for high-achieving, late-diagnosed, ADHDers. So, folks that have gotten pretty far in their careers, they know they want to do more and they're getting really stuck. So, it'll have kind of like a semi-educational components, and group coaching, a lot of group support, and just kind of tackling all the ways that, like, business and career advice works great for neurotypical brains. Not so well for ADHD brains, and kind of helping everybody find their own vision and values to, like, drive their process.

PATRICK CASALE: Love it.

PRIYANKA RAO: So, yeah. [CROSSTALK 00:29:38]-

PATRICK CASALE: [CROSSTALK 00:29:38] launch.

PRIYANKA RAO: I'm hoping to launch in, like, somewhere in March, so early to late March is going to be the launch date for the first cohort of that. And my hope is to make that an open program ongoing as the year kind of progresses.

PATRICK CASALE: [INDISCERNIBLE 00:29:56].

PRIYANKA RAO: Yeah, and then I also have, you know, one-on-one coaching and consulting as well. So, you can find me on Instagram @ashacoach or website asha.coaching.com.

PATRICK CASALE: Easy enough, and all of that information will be in the show notes, so you have easy access, so you can connect with Dr. Rao and you can join that coaching program, especially, if you need this type of support. Really excited to meet you. Thanks for coming on. I'm going to see you in both Scotland and New Zealand, which is super fun. Maybe I can convince you and just to come to Greece, I'm not going to stop trying. So, your husband [CROSSTALK 00:30:33]-

PRIYANKA RAO: I would love to. Yeah, I was like, I don't know if I can ditch the two toddlers another week in there, but…

PATRICK CASALE: Life finds a way. But you're doing cool stuff in this field. And it's really cool just to watch your journey unfold. So, thank you so much for coming on and making the time.

PRIYANKA RAO: Yeah, thank you so much for having me. This was fun.

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