Episode 201: Letting Go of Shoulds and Diversifying Income Streams [featuring Gabrielle Juliano-Villani]

Show Notes

Are you a therapist or entrepreneur feeling boxed in by traditional one-on-one client work?

In this episode, Patrick Casale and Gabrielle Juliano-Villani talk about the necessity of diversifying income for mental health professionals—especially those who are neurodivergent or just burned out by endless back-to-back sessions.

3 key takeaways:

1. Diversification = Freedom & Sustainability: For many of us, sticking to the same routine is draining. Multiple streams of income aren’t just exciting—they’re pivotal for staying creative, sustaining energy, and protecting your mental health.

2. Embrace Experimentation & Let Go of “Shoulds”: It's a journey. From group practice to online courses, coaching, or retreats, pivoting your career takes time, trial and error, and a willingness to release the pressure of how things "should" be done. Start small, experiment, and don’t be afraid to fail forward.

3. Authenticity Wins Over Vanity Metrics: Social media is full of smoke and mirrors. Real connection and engagement come from authentic storytelling—sharing self-doubt, being honest about the process, and tapping into the real transformation you offer, not flashy highlights.

More about Gabrielle:

Gabrielle Juliano-Villani is a licensed clinical social worker, consultant, coach, entrepreneur, and educator based in Sarasota, FL. She has been in the mental health field for over a decade specializing in stress, chronic health conditions, and trauma.

After realizing her own burnout in 2021, she sold her thriving group practice and made it her mission to educate others on the impact stress has on our everyday lives. Gabrielle pulls from her experience as an EMDR and Polyvagal Informed therapist to utilize mind/body approaches to help others implement everyday strategies to manage stress and live their best lives.

Gabrielle is an international speaker, retreat leader, and has been featured in Authority Magazine, The Daily Om, Bustle, and the Everyday Woman TV Network. When she's not working, Gabrielle is teaching Zumba, surfing, or reading a psychological thriller at the beach.

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Transcript

PATRICK CASALE: Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the All Things Private Practice podcast. I'm joined today by a very good friend, Gabrielle Juliano-Villani. This is actually her fourth time on here. So, to those of you listening who have been on here three times, Shailene, Maureen, Michael Ashford, Yunetta, you're now in second place.

So, I always enjoy having you on. You know, we've become good friends over the years. We've hosted an event together. We're hosting two events together in New Zealand in March.

And we're going to talk today about this, like, move in the therapy spaces into diversification of income, because I think it's becoming not just trendy, and I don't think that's the right word, but almost necessary for a lot of people and a lot of people's nervous systems. We are both neurodivergent entrepreneurs. I cannot do the same thing over and over and over on repeat.

GABRIELLE JULIANO-VILLANI: Yes, I think, I don't know that I've let the skill to go, but what I do know is that no matter what I did, I cannot see one-on-one clients, therapy clients, and coaching clients back to back. I can't. I can't be a therapist anymore. It just did not work for me.

PATRICK CASALE: Yep. And I remember thinking back, this is years ago, when I was struggling as a therapist, just energetically. And my supervisor and like, mentor was like, "I don't think you, specifically, are designed to be a therapist because of the way you absorb energy and because of how much impact it has on a day-to-day."

I never understood that. This was, like, pre-autism, ADHD discovery. So, I just was like, "Okay, I don't understand why you're telling me this." But now I'm like, "Yeah, you are so right." In terms of how I absorb energy, how sensitive I am to certain things, like how I experience the world in general. And I almost have to have, like, this Goldilocks situation that Dr. Neff always talks about in Divergent Conversations, of like, everything has to be just right, and otherwise, my days are ruined. And I also feel like when I'm doing the same thing over and over and over again, the walls feel like they're closing in.

GABRIELLE JULIANO-VILLANI: Me too.

PATRICK CASALE: Do you ever experience that as an ADHDer?

GABRIELLE JULIANO-VILLANI: Yes, I do.

PATRICK CASALE: [CROSSTALK 00:03:32] streams of revenue and income.

GABRIELLE JULIANO-VILLANI: I need that to get me excited, multiple dopamines. But, I mean, really, I always said, like, when I was getting my master's, I was like, "I'm never going to be a therapist. That is so not me. done. That is not for me."

PATRICK CASALE: Sure.

GABRIELLE JULIANO-VILLANI: And it just ended up being this way. And I also didn't realize about the energy absorption either. And I think this is one of the things that has been very eye-opening after the ADHD diagnosis, is I thought everybody just experienced the world the same way.

PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, totally.

GABRIELLE JULIANO-VILLANI: And it turns out they don't.

PATRICK CASALE: Right, because, like, how could we know any differently if we're experiencing our inner world like this? And I have had those thoughts so often, like, "You mean, not everyone is so impacted by all of the sensory stuff all of the time? Like, not everyone is going home and, like, completely fucking crashing after socializing, or having to host, or having to absorb? People are just going on with their day?" Like, that's wild to me.

GABRIELLE JULIANO-VILLANI: I simply can't. I simply cannot. And I also just didn't even realize the things that I was taking on. And I actually remember the first time that I did realize it, I was doing EMDR with a client, and she was, like, verbally, processing. And this was like, towards the end, actually. I think it was, like, right before I sold my practice. And she was talking, and I was like, "Do you have like a gut feeling in your stomach right now?" She's like, "Yeah, it's exactly how it feels." And I was like, "Oh, I'm feeling that." "Why are you feeling what you're feeling? I thought, like, there was something, like, that was making me anxious, but it's not, it's you." And yeah, that happens all the time, even when I try very hard to set boundaries.

PATRICK CASALE: Yep, energetically, it's a lot, you know? As our neurotypes are so sensitive to picking up on other people's energy as well and just how it impacts us simultaneously. So, it's challenging.

And when I start to think about like this movement into diversification, because I see all the webinars, and trainings, and hell, even our event, right? Like moving beyond private practice, diversifying income streams, I think that a lot of us want and need that freedom, the autonomy, the space that we don't often have when our weeks and months are so contingent on appointment after appointment after appointment.

GABRIELLE JULIANO-VILLANI: And I mean, it does feel really good. I think it's hard to get started. It's always hard in the beginning. But I think now, like, I literally sold like two courses last night. Is that a ton of money? No, but it was, like, literally while I was sleeping, and I woke up this morning and I was like, "Cool, [INDISCERNIBLE 00:06:36] bucks."

PATRICK CASALE: Sure. Oh, totally. People buy my retreat planning manual like, I'm like, "Oh, there's an extra source of revenue." Right? And I think for me, it's even beyond, like, the money that can be made. Like, that's great. I like the fact that my career has taken me outside of the therapy room to places that I really have never thought that I would end up. But it really is more about like the freedom for me, and if I always anchor into the acknowledgement that I need freedom to be creative, I need time and space, and doing something over and over and over again on a repetitive manner is really in my mind, like it feels like what torture is. And to all of you who are like, this is my jam, I love seeing therapy clients every day, seven, eight a day, five a day, four a day, whatever, rinse and repeat. This is great. More power to you. I'm not going to knock it at all, because not everyone is built, or designed, or has the desire to be more entrepreneurial, but those who do, I think the common theme in question is like, but where do I get started, and what if it's not successful?

GABRIELLE JULIANO-VILLANI: And those are real things that can happen. Things do fail-

PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, all the time.

GABRIELLE JULIANO-VILLANI: But you don't know if you don't try. Sorry to be cheesy about it, but it is true. And I think the same thing, like freedom is my number one, like, core value. I need freedom. And I understand that this is very privileged, that I don't start my day before 10:00 AM, I'm awake. I'm not taking meetings. I want to go to Greece and Spain. I want to go to New Zealand. I want to, I don't know, sleep in, or not work late, or whatever it is. Like, I need to live my life the way that I need to live it, and I know that for myself is very important in my own nervous system, and I can't be creative and successful when I'm not that way. And I know that is a fact for me personally, because when I have more freedom, I am more creative, and I have that expansive space for more things that are aligned to keep coming in.

PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, 100%. And also, like, you didn't start there. I think that's important for people to hear like…

GABRIELLE JULIANO-VILLANI: I definitely didn't.

PATRICK CASALE: I did not start where I'm at today, back in 2015 when I got my masters, and I always talk about this, like, I always thought the end game was community mental health, very quickly realized it was not. And then, I thought the end game was like private practice, very quickly realized, like, I can't do this over and over and over again. Like, for me, this just doesn't work. You start to almost think like, is there something wrong with me? Is there a reason why I can't be like, satisfied in what I'm doing, or why it just doesn't feel as fulfilling as it used to? Come to find out, like, oh, ADHD has a lot to do with that.

GABRIELLE JULIANO-VILLANI: [CROSSTALK 00:09:36].

PATRICK CASALE: You know, you get into this mindset of like, the grass is always greener, and I'm finding like I need to chase the stimulation, and the dopamine, and the excitement. Before I had the language for it, I just assumed, like, I just am one of those people who will never be fulfilled, and that is not a good feeling. Like, that's not a good feeling to be anchored into.

Come to understand my neurology and the reason behind it, I'm like, okay, this makes so much more sense. So, now leaning into more like intuition, and energy, and the interests, and really pursuing the things that spark me and light me up. But it took a long time of navigating, like juggling different things and trying different things to figure out, what is it that gives me that joy and that satisfaction. And that also changes. Like, that changes seasonally in our careers, and we have to allow for that to happen, opposed to like, shaming ourselves for "never seeing something through, or changing my mind too much, or not completing a project" and allowing for that to be a part of the process.

GABRIELLE JULIANO-VILLANI: That's where you got to let go of, like, the shoulds, right? That's what I try and tell myself, which is, you know, of course, easier said than done, but like, I should do this, I should do it that way. Well, I don't want to. There are people, and I am kind of jealous of them sometimes, who are just like, "A job is just a job. I just work this so I can make money, and then I can…"

You know, I actually remember in Belize, not during a retreat, like after, when I was on vacation, and I was sitting across from like, this young couple on their honeymoon, and they were talking about their jobs. And they were like, "Yeah, they're like, kind of boring. I do like the data analyst…" Or some shit. And they're like, "But it allows us to do this? And so, it's, you know, just a job."

PATRICK CASALE: It's a means to an end.

GABRIELLE JULIANO-VILLANI: I can't live like that. It doesn't work for me.

PATRICK CASALE: No. And I think that's hard, like you said, becoming like, kind of, not, yeah, jealous, resentful, envious, whatever it is, of like, how come I can't just do that? Like, how come I can't just have a job and that can be enough?

And it's not how I'm designed. And really, like you said, letting go of the shoulds of I should be able to do that. I should be focusing on this thing. And I think when we're talking about diversification and potentially, moving beyond one-on-one therapy, there's so much comparison culture, because social media exists.

And we were just talking with your husband about his social media account. Shout out to POV Kitchen, follow them on Instagram, because he's like, trying to get it off the ground. And we're talking about vanity metrics versus engagement. I think engagement is crucial and that comes with being authentic. I think that comes with, like, consistency, but also, authenticity. We have to let go of this, like, this is how I'm supposed to be perceived mentality as mental health professionals who own our own businesses, because our skill sets are so applicable and useful in so many different arenas. And I think we have to acknowledge that and anchor into that too.

GABRIELLE JULIANO-VILLANI: I think therapists get very, like, sorry, not trying to be like, rude or shame people. I think that oftentimes, and I know this from, like, coaching them and myself, that like very narrow-minded of just like, "Everybody knows how to do that. Everybody knows that." You think that because you are a therapist and you're surrounded by therapists, but people out in the world don't know what mindfulness is, or they don't, like, I don't even know, all the things that we talk about all the time, coping skills and distress tolerance. Like, they think they know that, but they don't.

And [INDISCERNIBLE 00:15:35] what's the word I'm thinking of? Like, you need to package it differently, because everybody needs that, and you can teach them that, but if you use so much therapist's speak, then it's not going to land with them. So, always think, like, like, what's in it for them?

Well, if I'm about burnout and like, wellness, and blah, blah, blah, I'm not going to come and be like, "I'm going to teach you about polyvagal theory." Because they don't know what the fuck that is, but you're going to talk about like, here's how you can help build a non-toxic workplace and retain your staff, because that's what they want end of the day.

PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, absolutely, yeah. I do think that the way we market our services and the things that we do matters. I think that because so many of us have very little to zero business training in our grad school programs and in our lives that the concept of like repackaging, repurposing, putting our skills in a different language is a foreign language in a lot of ways, and that's where so many people get stuck, because I, unfortunately, have had so many conversations with people who have such great ideas about retreats, coaching programs, podcast, whatever. But because they can't make their ideas relatable, it's really hard to get off the ground, and they struggle to either sell them or to actually bring them to life. And then, they feel really bad about themselves. They feel really demoralized, because it's like, "I see everyone else doing this, how come I can't?"

And I think social media does play a negative role in that, where you're just like not seeing behind the curtain in a lot of ways.

GABRIELLE JULIANO-VILLANI: It's all fake.

PATRICK CASALE: 99% of it is fake.

GABRIELLE JULIANO-VILLANI: Yeah. Like, that's really important to remember, because I know I would talk about this with my social media manager sometimes, and I will be like, "Why do these little influencer bitches get these million-dollar brain deals or whatever?" And she's like, "It's fake. I've been in this industry for a long time. Like, yes, it is real." She's like, "…but a lot of it is smoke and mirrors. People lie or are in debt. People lie all the time."

PATRICK CASALE: Sure.

GABRIELLE JULIANO-VILLANI: So, just trying and remember that, for that's one thing I wanted to say. The second thing, as far as like, selling, and business, and things like that, that's completely true.

And it made me think, last week, I did a webinar with The Funnel Doctor, Ryan, who does our ads, and he was talking about funnels, and this was all therapists, and they were all like, "I don't know what that is. I've never heard that before. What does that mean?" And you already have a funnel. If you're a therapist, you have ways, right? To get your clients into the door, and then you have a process. They fill out a contact form, you call them, you check their benefits, you do a consult, you get them scheduled. Like, that is your funnel for therapy. You need to think of the same thing to happen for your other business too.

And I think it's really easy to just see people posting online, and they're like, "Oh my God." They sold out their retreat in one day. They did this. They did that. Like, you don't know what's going on, you only see a little.

PATRICK CASALE: No, and I'll be real transparent about that. That's a great point. Gabrielle and I… Okay, so today's June 4, because the episode, I don't know when this is going to come out, just for frame of reference, last week, or was it earlier this week? I don't remember when you and I met about New Zealand. I think it was last week.

GABRIELLE JULIANO-VILLANI: I think it was last week.

PATRICK CASALE: I was very jet lagged from coming back from my Spain retreat. So, time, what the fuck is time? We were talking about like, okay, our neurodivergent retreat in New Zealand sold out really quickly. Okay, we probably should have doubled down on that and done two of those right? Because there's a lot of interest in the neurodivergent spaces, our Diversifying Income Stream retreat, Beyond Private Practice, whatever the hell we're calling it, has had a harder time. We're trying to brainstorm creative ideas on how to sell this, how to get people to this event that I think is going to be life-changing, once in a lifetime, and amazing.

I can stand behind that and really believe that that is true. It's not like smoke and mirrors of like coming to New Zealand, but then you get there and we're actually like in New Jersey. Like, this is a real event, happening in a bucket list destination. It's still hard to sell the spots despite having audiences, despite having done this many times. Like, spots are hard to sell. So, I want you all to hear that, if you're just starting out and you see us selling out events, or you've looked at my stuff over the last four years and you're like, "Patrick always sells his stuff out." It's so much work. It is so much stress.

GABRIELLE JULIANO-VILLANI: Yes.

PATRICK CASALE: There's so much doubt behind the scenes of like, is this actually going to work. Despite New Zealand being like my 22nd event in the last four years, that stuff is still very real.

GABRIELLE JULIANO-VILLANI: That needs space to land.

PATRICK CASALE: Yep. And of course, creatively, I thought, well, what if I send an email to people who've come to every single event that I've ever had, letting them know that this is probably going to be my last event. And there's a lot of truth to that in this current moment. We might get to next year, and that may change, but that's the season of life that I feel like I'm in right now. And then, we had like, five sign-ups in one day.

And it's just fascinating, you know, what people are drawn to. I know people are drawn to urgency, and I try really hard not to market that way, because it feels disingenuous to me. I don't want to take advantage of anyone's, like, neurotype, especially, the ADHDers out there who are like, "Oh my God, one spot left. Urgency. 24 hours to do this thing, urgency."

So, I try really hard to just be like, "Hey, here's this incredible experience. Do with it what you will. But I do believe that it is an incredible experience." And the things that I've learned along the way is the more authentic I am to talk about the self-doubt behind the scenes for someone who has had "a lot of success" over the last four years in this realm, normalizes it for everyone else who's just starting out or is having a hard time getting their thing, their goal, brought into the world and successfully created, launched, sold out, however you want to quantify or label success. This self-doubt, perfectionism, anxiety, I don't love the word impostor syndrome anymore, but we'll throw that in the mix, it is very real, no matter what stage of the journey that you're on. And if someone is telling you it's not, that should be a red flag.

GABRIELLE JULIANO-VILLANI: It is always there. I think it just-

PATRICK CASALE: Always.

GABRIELLE JULIANO-VILLANI: And I just try, I mean, I do roll with it because, I think, I do, but I try and remember too, that, like the life I'm living now is a life that I dreamed about. And so, even though, like, same thing, like my Costa Rica retreat, it all has two rooms left and it's moving slower than I like it to, but I'm like, whatever. I'm fine if we only have these… We have like, eight people signed up. So, I'm like, that's fine. If that's just it, that's totally fine. If we get the other two rooms sold, that's great, too. I have to just, like, let go of that, and [CROSSTALK 00:22:58] from keep putting it out there, because I am doing it. But you have to surrender and let go of the outcomes a little bit-

PATRICK CASALE: It's so hard.

GABRIELLE JULIANO-VILLANI: I don't like to do, like, the urgency of, like, "Oh, one [INDISCERNIBLE 00:23:25]." Like, I hate doing that too, but it's true at the same time I'm like, there really is only two rooms left.

PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, it's both and right? Like, there is duality to marketing. It can feel kind of cringy in times, and it can also be really real. And I think good marketing is just good storytelling. That's always the way I view it. Like, that's why I try to be as relatable and as authentic as I can be.

And in reality, like what you just said, is so important. Like, the surrendering when we're thinking about diversification and creating alternative streams of income, the surrendering to it is important, and it's really fucking hard. Like, anytime I'm marketing with panic, insecurity, scarcity, anxiety, it's going to feel that way on the people who are receiving the message, it's probably going to lead to more unsubscribes on my email list. Probably going to lead to more unfollows. It's definitely not going to lead to conversions. When I'm allowing myself to just be comfortable with the uncomfortable and to really embrace, like, the outcome is going to be the outcome, and I'm going to do this with integrity and authenticity, it works out so much better.

And I've really had to retrain my brain, because that's not how I am naturally wired. I am such an anxious human who is worried about all of the outcomes all the time, but the surrendering is really, really important.

And for you with Costa Rica, eight spots, 10 spots, you know, you're going to do a hell of a job with eight people or 10 people, right? Like, they're going to come away with a great experience.

And what I had to teach myself early on when I was launching, like, coaching programs, whether one person signs up or 10, you do a hell of a job for that one person or those 10 people, and that is going to lead to word of mouth, that's going to lead to testimonials, that's going to lead to like momentum and really backing that, for those of you listening about, like, starting a coaching program, a podcast, a membership program, like a retreat, anything, do the best fucking job that you can collect testimonials, show up authentically, use it for marketing content, for video content, etc. Use it to create a catalyst for momentum. That, for me, has been really important over the last five years.

GABRIELLE JULIANO-VILLANI: In Zumba…

PATRICK CASALE: I'm an avid Zumba participant, just so everyone knows that.

GABRIELLE JULIANO-VILLANI: Yeah, he is.

PATRICK CASALE: I have the moves and mobility of maybe like a 200-year-old tree.

GABRIELLE JULIANO-VILLANI: Happen in real time. [CROSSTALK 00:25:55].

PATRICK CASALE: I am really good at singing songs, though, if we're drunk in Ireland, like walking down alleyways. So, hire me for that, if you're interested.

GABRIELLE JULIANO-VILLANI: [INDISCERNIBLE 00:26:02] need to be drunk.

PATRICK CASALE: [INDISCERNIBLE 00:26:06] yeah.

GABRIELLE JULIANO-VILLANI: But at Zumba, we say like the same thing, and I think of it the same way as like, and I have had this happen many times, especially, when I started a new class in a new place, one person shows up, and I'm like, "Well, I'm going to teach for this one person the same way I would if there was 100 people in here." And it really does work. And it totally is the same with everything that we're talking about here.

And I agree that, like when you are urgent and panicky, people feel that even maybe subconsciously. And I also think, like a lot of us lead with, like, here's everything you're going to get. You're going to get CEs, and this, and $500 off, and there's three spots left. Like, that doesn't really sell, usually.

PATRICK CASALE: No.

GABRIELLE JULIANO-VILLANI: But what sells is, like, what do people want from this? They want to make more money. They want to diversify income streams. They want to feel less burnt out. Like, those are the things that you need to think about and anchor into, is more of like, the transformation, less about like here are the key features of this retreat.

PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, the key features are important. Like, they're foundational, but they're also, like, ancillary benefits, you know? Like, those are, like, the expectations and the terms and condition types of stuff that, like, this is what you're going to receive. The psychological and emotional experience of whatever you're trying to launch and sell to someone, that's really the takeaway. Like, yes, come to New Zealand because it's fucking New Zealand.

But in reality, like, and I've acknowledged this in past events, especially, recently, the behind the scenes, like the people connecting with each other, the contagious energy, just the thing that happens when you step out of your comfort zone as a human not only to you personally, but professionally, when you take a risk, when you kind of, like, bet on yourself, or take that leap in that direction. That's the stuff that is really the important "marketing" of the event or the cohort or the coaching program or whatever you're launching, and that's the stuff that people sometimes struggle to anchor into, but that is the stuff that people want, and that's the stuff that you're going to, like, put out into the world and deliver on to.

GABRIELLE JULIANO-VILLANI: Exactly. And like talking about that and not being afraid to talk about it, because that's what… And you're already doing it, I mean, tell people how to feel, but don't be afraid.

PATRICK CASALE: Doubt yourself and do it anyway, you know?

GABRIELLE JULIANO-VILLANI: Exactly, you have to. Because, I've been trying to think about that more. I just think about, like, where I started and where I am now. And I never, ever, ever thought that, like, this would be my life. I wanted it, but I didn't know how to get there. And now, I'm here, so…

PATRICK CASALE: I made a post about pivoting my career the other day, and kind of acknowledged all the things that I've done since starting this journey back in 2020. And if I zoom out on that, I'm like, I didn't know how to do any of this. I didn't even know, like, 90% of it was possible. So, I think it is about, like, embracing that unknown and stepping out of your comfort zone, taking more risks and really moving towards the things that light you up, and anchoring into your core values, and then let that be the compass. Because I think that the journey can be a really magical one, and one that you never expected to experience. And I just think that, for me, is really the takeaway.

GABRIELLE JULIANO-VILLANI: I agree 100%. And just being open, and saying yes. And I feel like once I shifted my own, like, mindset and my own energy, and like, letting go a lot of these limiting beliefs that really did work, I got more things that I wanted in my life.

PATRICK CASALE: 100%. So, with that being said, I don't know when this is going to air, for everyone still listening, we might have a New Zealand spot left for March of 2026. We might not. Gabrielle might have those two spots left for Costa Rica. She might not. Because I think this will air after you and I are in Scotland at my Doubt Yourself, Do it Anyway summit. So, we'll see what happens.

But nevertheless, you know, I think that's another thing. I never thought I would be saying, that we will be seeing each other in Scotland next month and having this event. So, you know, I really think acknowledging, for those of you who are listening, who are mental health professionals, specifically, when you're starting to tell yourself like this is not possible for me, because I don't know how to do it, just know that that is a belief that we can dismantle. Because I know when you surround yourself with people who are saying, like, that's not a thing you can do, it's very easy for you to allow that to kind of guide you and dictate how you move forward. Just surround yourself with people who are doing cool shit. I think that's my takeaway for this as well.

GABRIELLE JULIANO-VILLANI: That is huge also, is like, because when you do have people around you who are naysayers, who are like, "Oh, you can't do that." That's not good energy and it's not going to help you. You need people who are going to build you up and be like, "Fuck yes, you can do that. Let me help you. How can I support you?" I [INISCERNIBLE 00:31:35] social media posts. I will [INDISCERNIBLE 00:31:37] stuff like you need people like that in your circle, because that will 100% build you up.

And I will tell you too, like I have had so many people say things like that to me online courses. "Well, how are you going to sell shit on Etsy? Don't sell your practice. You're a failure." And it's not helpful once those ideas get into your head, which is why to do whatever you need to do, like whatever your practice is to like, anchor into your own values, what you want to do, and how you want to live your life.

PATRICK CASALE: 100%, 100%. Well, thank you for coming on, again, and being on here four times. I'm sure there will be a fifth at some point in time. Come see us in all these cool locations, you know, pick our brains, and hope to see y'all in New Zealand, in Greece, and Spain, and Scotland, and Costa Rica, and all of these places and beyond.

So, Gabrielle, tell the audience where they can find what you've got going on, and we will include it in the show notes as well.

GABRIELLE JULIANO-VILLANI: Thank you. I'm pretty easy to find because I have a pretty unique name. So, Facebook, LinkedIn, YouTube, TikTok, my website are all Gabrielle Juliano-Villani. My Instagram is GJV Consulting. My Etsy is GJV Consulting. And I have two Facebook groups, Medicare Consulting for Therapists and Create an Abundant Group Practice.

PATRICK CASALE: Gotta love it. That's an ADHD mind in real time. So, we will have all of her links on the show notes, so you have easy access to Gabrielle's information if you want to go on that Costa Rica retreat. I believe it's happening this fall. Is it October or November?

GABRIELLE JULIANO-VILLANI: November the 2nd to the seventh.

PATRICK CASALE: 2nd to the seventh. So, check that out as well. For everyone listening to this podcast, new episodes are out on Saturdays. Doubt yourself, do it anyway. I'll see you next week.